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== Proceedings ==
 
== Proceedings ==
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=== Housekeeping ===
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SoapHub is not dead
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Action: reinstate the URL and description to the Comms page on the wiki
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=== Ontology Articulation Guidelines ===
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Are we being idealistic in thinking that we can accommodate each of the various stances and describe them in a broader context rather than presuming what is right or wrong
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Example - Realism - there is no one kind of Realism it needs to be stated in a context e.g. according to this group they may subscribe to this kind of Realism, this definition of Realism.
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Similar computational versus non computational ontologies - may be different views in those spaces.
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So we can't really say that even a given stance like Realism is one thing, it needs to be framed in a given context.
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==== Where to start? ====
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Characterize the contexts of usage of these different notions.
 +
 +
Some considerations:
 +
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On the computational side - developers of a given ontology may not have in mind the more abstract concepts in mind
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 +
They may not be looking at the same grounding of concepts as would be seen in a 'philosophical' ontology.
 +
 +
A lay person might have a different view again.
 +
 +
So a given ontology may not have a world view in mind because these questions are not raised and addressed.
 +
 +
This is a good statement of the problem space we are trying to address.
 +
 +
Important to not be imposing something of these upon the group that developed the thing.
 +
 +
So we have a good framing - when someone present an ontology they often will not have made those distinctions (may not even accept them in some cases) - can we use this in our framing / introduction of the exercise?
 +
 +
So we have material for an introductory page for what we want to do.
 +
 +
==== Actions to take this forward ====
 +
 +
Write introductory page - MB (with help from RR)
 +
 +
Somewhere to put such stuff. Where? (KB)
 +
 +
Put it in the wiki.
 +
 +
What to call the main page for this effort?
 +
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Call it: Ontology Articulation Guidelines
 +
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==== Some resources ====
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Smith, Sowa, Guizzardi, also others (insert below)
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Robert rovetto: R.Mizoguchi
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Robert rovetto: Heinrich Herre & Frank Loebe
 +
 +
Robert rovetto: Adam Pease
 +
 +
We did a library for Ontology Summit some years ago.
 +
 +
MB has it somewhere.
 +
 +
Was it on the Ontolog forum wiki (the old cim3 one).
 +
 +
It was in some special tool? Not sure
 +
 +
MB to look into this.
 +
 +
Clarify the goal for this task
 +
 +
Create a web page that has guidelines for ontology design? Or something else?
 +
 +
A clearing house of pointers?
 +
 +
Start with context of terms like Realism itself.
 +
 +
e.g. may take a given applied ontology, it may state that it is Realist or Conceptualist but you can't take it without further detail.
 +
 +
It may even be Realist wrt specific entities but not others. If your domain requires a certain category and you might find that the ontology you want to use won't allow that because of its commitments. Should not fit your subject matter under the world view of another. Need the ontology to be transparent about what it would accept, reject or differently characterize according to its world view.
 +
 +
Also relates to ethics in ontology development.
 +
 +
Also there are sometimes commercial drivers to the language used for things. Need to get past to what is being committed to.
 +
 +
Need to be able to say when you use or not use a given TLO - e.g. some people are advocating certain TLOs as they are in ISO, but it might not be the one for that particular usage.
 +
 +
See ISO Part 1.
 +
 +
AS IAOA we need to encourage more diversity.
 +
 +
Encourage awareness of all work d views and corresponding ontology.
 +
 +
==== Next steps ====
 +
 +
Start to grow the wiki (1st page, then grow an area around it
 +
 +
Start to build the Bibliography
 +
 +
=== Special Edition ===
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 +
NTR
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=== Housekeeping (cont'd from above) ===
 +
 +
GoToMeeting - has a note taking feature.
 +
 +
KB: Listed as a new feature, separate from the transcription. Also separate from the use of the Chat Log
 +
 +
Called Smart Meeting Assistant.
 +
 +
KB to look into that and see it's something we can use.
 +
 +
Seems to be a search feature for searching the transcript or something. Will take you to the part of the video corresponding to that part of the transcript.
 +
 +
GTM - still using MB account. Doesn't have the above features.
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=== AoB ===
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=== Next Meeting ===
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Sept 7 - is that Labor Day? It is
 +
 +
So next meeting = 14 September
 +
 +
Report to IAOA - when?
 +
 +
Post a note about our meeting on the IAOA website.
 +
 +
We need to do one of these after each meeting
 +
 +
How: Send KB a couple of sentences. MB to draft. RR can review.
 +
 +
By...
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== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
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* MikeBennett
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* RobertRovetto
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* KenBaclawski
  
 
== Next Meetings ==
 
== Next Meetings ==

Latest revision as of 16:15, 7 September 2020

Number 81
Duration 1 hour60 minute
3,600 second
0.0417 day
Date/Time August 3 2020 19:00 GMT
12:00pm PDT/3:00pm EDT
8:00pm BST/9:00pm CEST
Convener Mike Bennett

IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG

NOTE NEW TIME: 3pm Eastern Time going forward

Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.

Agenda

  • Ontology Articulation Guidelines
    • New activity focusing on best practice for the semantics aspects of ontology development
    • Next steps
  • Status and updates
    • Current progress and prospects for the special issue on explanation.
  • Housekeeping
  • AoB
  • Next Meeting

Proceedings

Housekeeping

SoapHub is not dead

Action: reinstate the URL and description to the Comms page on the wiki

Ontology Articulation Guidelines

Are we being idealistic in thinking that we can accommodate each of the various stances and describe them in a broader context rather than presuming what is right or wrong

Example - Realism - there is no one kind of Realism it needs to be stated in a context e.g. according to this group they may subscribe to this kind of Realism, this definition of Realism.

Similar computational versus non computational ontologies - may be different views in those spaces.

So we can't really say that even a given stance like Realism is one thing, it needs to be framed in a given context.

Where to start?

Characterize the contexts of usage of these different notions.

Some considerations:

On the computational side - developers of a given ontology may not have in mind the more abstract concepts in mind

They may not be looking at the same grounding of concepts as would be seen in a 'philosophical' ontology.

A lay person might have a different view again.

So a given ontology may not have a world view in mind because these questions are not raised and addressed.

This is a good statement of the problem space we are trying to address.

Important to not be imposing something of these upon the group that developed the thing.

So we have a good framing - when someone present an ontology they often will not have made those distinctions (may not even accept them in some cases) - can we use this in our framing / introduction of the exercise?

So we have material for an introductory page for what we want to do.

Actions to take this forward

Write introductory page - MB (with help from RR)

Somewhere to put such stuff. Where? (KB)

Put it in the wiki.

What to call the main page for this effort?

Call it: Ontology Articulation Guidelines

Some resources

Smith, Sowa, Guizzardi, also others (insert below)

Robert rovetto: R.Mizoguchi

Robert rovetto: Heinrich Herre & Frank Loebe

Robert rovetto: Adam Pease

We did a library for Ontology Summit some years ago.

MB has it somewhere.

Was it on the Ontolog forum wiki (the old cim3 one).

It was in some special tool? Not sure

MB to look into this.

Clarify the goal for this task

Create a web page that has guidelines for ontology design? Or something else?

A clearing house of pointers?

Start with context of terms like Realism itself.

e.g. may take a given applied ontology, it may state that it is Realist or Conceptualist but you can't take it without further detail.

It may even be Realist wrt specific entities but not others. If your domain requires a certain category and you might find that the ontology you want to use won't allow that because of its commitments. Should not fit your subject matter under the world view of another. Need the ontology to be transparent about what it would accept, reject or differently characterize according to its world view.

Also relates to ethics in ontology development.

Also there are sometimes commercial drivers to the language used for things. Need to get past to what is being committed to.

Need to be able to say when you use or not use a given TLO - e.g. some people are advocating certain TLOs as they are in ISO, but it might not be the one for that particular usage.

See ISO Part 1.

AS IAOA we need to encourage more diversity.

Encourage awareness of all work d views and corresponding ontology.

Next steps

Start to grow the wiki (1st page, then grow an area around it

Start to build the Bibliography

Special Edition

NTR

Housekeeping (cont'd from above)

GoToMeeting - has a note taking feature.

KB: Listed as a new feature, separate from the transcription. Also separate from the use of the Chat Log

Called Smart Meeting Assistant.

KB to look into that and see it's something we can use.

Seems to be a search feature for searching the transcript or something. Will take you to the part of the video corresponding to that part of the transcript.

GTM - still using MB account. Doesn't have the above features.

AoB

Next Meeting

Sept 7 - is that Labor Day? It is

So next meeting = 14 September

Report to IAOA - when?

Post a note about our meeting on the IAOA website.

We need to do one of these after each meeting

How: Send KB a couple of sentences. MB to draft. RR can review.

By...


Attendees

  • MikeBennett
  • RobertRovetto
  • KenBaclawski

Next Meetings

... further results

Previous Meetings

... further results

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