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== Agenda ==
 
== Agenda ==
* The new website for SWAO is now installed at https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/SWAO:Home
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# The new website for SWAO is now installed at https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/SWAO:Home
** SWAO (and other SIGs) each will have their own namespace and category.
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## SWAO (and other SIGs) each will have their own namespace and category.
** Meeting pages are now named with the date of the meeting rather than the number of the meeting.
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## Meeting pages are now named with the date of the meeting rather than the number of the meeting.
** Migration is an ongoing activity, but it is progressing well.
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## Migration is an ongoing activity, but it is progressing well.
* The Education SIG website has been has the namespace "Edu".
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## What works?
** The IAOA term list has been migrated.
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## What's next?
* The issue tracker at https://trac.iaoa.org is running well, but is still being customized.
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# The Education SIG website has been has the namespace "Edu".
* Matters arising / any other business
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## The IAOA term list/glossary has been migrated!
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# The issue tracker at https://trac.iaoa.org is running well, but is still being customized.
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# Matters arising / any other business
  
 
== Proceedings ==
 
== Proceedings ==
[14:25] MikeBennett: The current skin is called Bouquet.
 
 
[14:25] MikeBennett: This is listed among the skins in the SMW list of these.
 
 
[14:25] MikeBennett: Can tweak the colors.
 
 
[14:26] MikeBennett: Banner can of course be dropped in, as we see in SWAO.
 
 
[14:26] MikeBennett: or SWAO:
 
 
[14:26] MikeBennett: Lose the Red
 
 
[14:26] MikeBennett: Use gray background with the cubes, IAOA banner
 
 
[14:26] MikeBennett: Put the IAOA logo on the left (transparent Gif)
 
 
[14:27] MikeBennett: Then think of a branding (color, fonts, whether or not to have a graphic, whether or not to have a simple 4-letter thing like IAOA has).
 
 
[14:27] MikeBennett: We are ahead of Ed Ctee on this
 
 
[14:27] MikeBennett: Uses a plugin to SMW called SkinPerPage
 
 
[14:28] MikeBennett: SkinPerPage can be called (or not called) on each page. So you can have different look and feel for different thematic areas of a wiki structure.
 
 
[14:28] MikeBennett: MB would like to use this for Semantic Shed - just go to the list above and gt it from there.
 
 
[14:29] MikeBennett: We used to use a different skin for every Summit on Ontolog Forum. This was chosen programmatically rather than as a declaration in the wiki text.
 
 
[14:31] MikeBennett: Somehow, things like [[sequence::71]] are being interpreted simply as pages, not as properties as they were before.
 
 
[14:31] MikeBennett: KB to investigate.
 
 
[14:32] MikeBennett: Properties in SMW - presumably these are a predicate, with a range that is another wiki page. then the properties are recognized and used by the kinds of application that Ken runs on these pages.
 
 
[14:33] MikeBennett: We think this is correct. There is also another kind of page (mediaWiki calls it a Namespace Special)
 
 
[14:33] MikeBennett: One of the Special pages is Properties. This is where the Properties are defined.
 
 
[14:34] MikeBennett: Is it possible that this existed in the previous set-up and was not brought across yet?
 
 
[14:34] MikeBennett: This seems to be the case - so KB will now be able to get the properties defined - thereby fixing the issues we currently see with the queries.
 
 
[14:34] MikeBennett: Next
 
 
[14:35] MikeBennett: Accounts
 
 
[14:35] MikeBennett: This is for editing the stuff.
 
 
[14:36] MikeBennett: MB: I would like an account and would like as many others as possible also to have one, so we are not reliant on one person to set up the meetings.
 
 
[14:37] MikeBennett: MikeHypercube
 
 
[14:38] MikeBennett: Email: mbennett@hypercube.co.uk
 
 
[14:39] MikeBennett: [please scramble this in the posted minutes]
 
 
[14:40] MikeBennett: Todd:
 
 
[14:40] MikeBennett: TSCH
 
 
[14:42] MikeBennett: Transfer: within a month, in time for next SWAO meeting.
 
 
[14:43] MikeBennett: This will then be linked to from the IAOA website. Next month.
 
 
[14:43] MikeBennett: The name of the page e.g. swao-confcall71
 
 
[14:44] MikeBennett: TS: Having the date in there would be very helpful.
 
 
[14:44] MikeBennett: Do we even need the meeting number (sequence) e.g. 71, for the queries that we have? No.
 
 
[14:45] MikeBennett: So no.
 
 
[14:45] MikeBennett: Conference or Meeting?
 
 
[14:45] MikeBennett: Meeting is good.
 
 
[14:45] MikeBennett: That way we can have broader things called Conferences elsewhere without our having snapped up that word already.
 
 
[14:47] MikeBennett: Icomm uses the term Conference, this is an ontology for collaborative systems.
 
 
[14:47] MikeBennett: However we don't like it  it uses the word conference for an individual call, which does not match our own internal working ontology here.
 
 
[14:48] MikeBennett: Integrated Collaboration Object Model.
 
 
[14:48] MikeBennett: This doesn't seem widely used.
 
 
[14:48] MikeBennett: It does not match our ontology of these concepts i.e. we think of these as meetings and will continue to do so.
 
 
[14:50] MikeBennett: Or they may have the same ontology but a different vocabulary. Not a problem. We call this single event a Meeting, which they call Conference, even if it is the same concepts. Indeed, that thing is an Object Model, not an ontology, and lacks ontological abstractions.
 
 
[14:51] MikeBennett: We should build our own ontology for this stuff. Using existing UO concepts for Event where these are well attested in the research community.
 
 
[14:51] MikeBennett: See e.g. IOF where there is an Event ontology that has problems.
 
 
[14:52] MikeBennett: IOF has a technical oversight board meeting. Sometimes covers meta-discussions and organizational considerations.
 
 
[14:53] MikeBennett: Are there good ontologies for situations and the like?
 
 
[14:53] MikeBennett: No Wgs working on those areas specifically yet. All have to be addressed at some point.
 
 
[14:53] MikeBennett: PSL scope doesn't include some of these management considerations.
 
 
[14:53] MikeBennett: KB developed a Situation Awareness ontology.
 
 
[14:54] MikeBennett: Based on OODA Loops. Was the most cited paper in that journal
 
 
[14:54] MikeBennett: Went on to do the decision making ontology based on the OODA loop, after that.
 
 
[14:55] MikeBennett: OODA was developed by a jet pilot and KB went on to make it into a formal ontology.
 
 
[14:55] MikeBennett: Should also look at PSL.
 
 
[14:55] MikeBennett: This also relates to CNC Computer Numerical Control), which has implications for decisions as well, so OODA Loop and situational awareness is there.
 
 
[14:56] MikeBennett: PSL is available from ISO at a cost.
 
 
[14:57] MikeBennett: MB: Will check if this is also available as an OMG spec, which would not have cost.
 
 
[14:57] MikeBennett: 1st version (2001) is available on the NIST site but there are more recent versions.
 
 
[14:58] MikeBennett: there is also a conference, CogSIMA on situational awareness. KB chaired this last year. Look at situational awareness from a human PoV. Also like to see this for machines. KB most recent paper deals with machine situational awareness. Looked at e.g. Bullwhip effect.
 
 
[15:00] MikeBennett: IOF - can join this - go to the web page, there is a place to Join. MB would like to join - will action this.
 
  
 
== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
* [[KenBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]
 
* [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]
 
  
 
=== Apologies ===
 
=== Apologies ===
 
  
 
== Next Meetings ==
 
== Next Meetings ==

Revision as of 18:33, 11 November 2019

Number 72
Duration 1 hour60 minute
3,600 second
0.0417 day
Date/Time November 11 2019 19:00 GMT
11:00 PST/2:00pm EST
7:00pm GMT/8:00pm CST
Convener Mike Bennett

IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG

Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.

Agenda

  1. The new website for SWAO is now installed at https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/SWAO:Home
    1. SWAO (and other SIGs) each will have their own namespace and category.
    2. Meeting pages are now named with the date of the meeting rather than the number of the meeting.
    3. Migration is an ongoing activity, but it is progressing well.
    4. What works?
    5. What's next?
  2. The Education SIG website has been has the namespace "Edu".
    1. The IAOA term list/glossary has been migrated!
  3. The issue tracker at https://trac.iaoa.org is running well, but is still being customized.
  4. Matters arising / any other business

Proceedings

Attendees

Apologies

Next Meetings

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Previous Meetings

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