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== Agenda ==
 
== Agenda ==
  
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  * Status and updates
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* Status and updates
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  * Naming: SIG versus Committee
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* Naming: SIG versus Committee
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  * AoB
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* AoB
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  * Next Meeting
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* Next Meeting
  
 
== Proceedings ==
 
== Proceedings ==
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 +
=== Status and Updates ===
 +
 +
=== Events ===
 +
 +
==== CogSima ====
 +
 +
MikeBennett: CogSima is coming up in May.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: KB considering whether to have a workshop on ontologies for situation management.
 +
 +
==== Ontology Summit ====
 +
 +
MikeBennett: Ontology Summit got off to a good start
 +
 +
MikeBennett: We even had one or two new people from a more tech / Semantic Tech background.
 +
 +
==== Discussion of the new AOIS group ====
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: Their mission statement is a lot like ours.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: The possible outcomes of the new group's work could include furthering the mission of this SIG.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: Consider joining with that Committee.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: MB: Agree - a possible outcome of applied ontology v standards is that the standards (OWL, RFD, SPARQL etc.) tend to have been the focus of the Semantic Web in any case.
 +
 +
==== Resolutions? ====
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: Propose we formally combine rather than simply disappear.
 +
 +
==== Actions ====
 +
 +
MikeBennett: KB will contact MG and convey the above.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: MB to get these notes up so KB has something to refer to.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: The final para of their mission statement is almost directly our mission statement.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: MB: Would certainly want to focus on standards in e.g. finance that would make suitable business reference ontologies. There is still a need for that in e.g. Fiannce.
 +
 +
KenBaclawski: "Looking at the missions of SWAO and AOIS, it appears that they overlap enough that it might make sense to consider some relationship between them, possibly even a formal merger."
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: Make it more explicit that we would be looking to merge into AOIS not the other way around.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: ' .. of SWAO into AOIS'
 +
 +
MikeBennett: KB proposes a joint meeting.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: All agree this would be good, to ensure we are all really on the same page/
 +
 +
=== Standards ===
 +
 +
AndreaW: Here is another ref to Knowledge Graphs ... https://www.zdnet.com/article/knowledge-graph-evolution-platforms-that-speak-your-language/?hss_channel=tw-224035128&=1
 +
 +
MikeBennett: KB: on standards - the new proposed SQL standard would include RDF capability.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: So this overlaps with SPARQL which was based on SQL originally. So it would effectively subsume SPARQL.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: Called SQL2020 (but don't Google that)
 +
 +
AndreaW: There is also a proposed RDF* standard that really improves reification.
 +
 +
AndreaW: https://www.stardog.com/blog/property-graphs-meet-stardog/
 +
 +
MikeBennett: MB: Thereby allowing for simpler operational ontology transformations out of 'relative things' in the conceptual ontology/
 +
 +
KenBaclawski: [shres transcripts from some slides]
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 +
Prospects for SQL 2020:  What is going to happen inWG 3 for SQL:2020?
 +
WG 3 identified these areas of interest for the next version of the SQL standard:
 +
Better support for Big Data applications.
 +
Graph queries.
 +
Approximate queries/aggregates and uncertain data.
 +
 +
16
 +
 +
Integration of statistical packages (i.e./e.g., R).
 +
MapReduce support.
 +
Streaming/continuous queries.
 +
Support for blockchains.
 +
BASE transactions.
 +
Any participant can bring forward a proposal for any new functionality
 +
 +
What is going to happen inWG 3 for SQL:2020? (cont.)
 +
At its most recent meeting in January 2017,WG 3 discussed graph databases and query languages:
 +
Time is right for formal standards in this area
 +
Existing work
 +
Technology begins to gel
 +
Market demand
 +
 +
17
 +
 +
WG 3 is interested in property graph technology
 +
Would like to work with LDBC (Graph QL Task Force) to develop formal standards
 +
At the June 2017 SC 32 Plenary, WG 3 will consider:
 +
Applying for a project split for SQL/Graph
 +
Applying for a new work item/give notice of a preliminary new work item for a Property Graph Query* Language
 +
* Query does not necessarily mean read-only retrieval operations only, but can include general DML/DDL operations.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: the above from KB is from an early 2017 slide deck
 +
 +
MikeBennett: Is SPARQL a property graph query language?
 +
 +
MikeBennett: No - more specific to RDF.
 +
 +
MikeBennett: AW: See also StarDog writeup on GraphQL and mapping to other things. SPARQL more tied to RDF and OWL. A graph query language does not deal with the semantics.
 +
 +
KenBaclawski: The source is a slide deck whose title slide is:
 +
 +
Standardizing Graph Database Functionality
 +
 +
An Invitation to Collaborate
 +
 +
Jan Michels, Keith Hare, JimMelton
 +
 +
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 32/WG 3 Members
 +
 +
February 9, 2017
 +
 +
MikeBennett: This is also relevant to the Summit.
 +
 +
  
 
== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
 +
 +
* MikeBennett
 +
* KenBaclawski
 +
* AndreaWesterinen
  
 
=== Apologies ===
 
=== Apologies ===
 +
 +
* ToddSchneider
 +
* BobbinTeegarden
  
 
== Next Meetings ==
 
== Next Meetings ==

Latest revision as of 17:11, 13 February 2020

Number 75
Duration 1 hour60 minute
3,600 second
0.0417 day
Date/Time February 3 2020 19:00 GMT
11:00 PST/2:00pm EST
7:00pm GMT/8:00pm CST
Convener Mike Bennett

IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG

Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.

Agenda

  • Status and updates
  • Naming: SIG versus Committee
  • AoB
  • Next Meeting

Proceedings

Status and Updates

Events

CogSima

MikeBennett: CogSima is coming up in May.

MikeBennett: KB considering whether to have a workshop on ontologies for situation management.

Ontology Summit

MikeBennett: Ontology Summit got off to a good start

MikeBennett: We even had one or two new people from a more tech / Semantic Tech background.

Discussion of the new AOIS group

MikeBennett: AW: Their mission statement is a lot like ours.

MikeBennett: The possible outcomes of the new group's work could include furthering the mission of this SIG.

MikeBennett: AW: Consider joining with that Committee.

MikeBennett: MB: Agree - a possible outcome of applied ontology v standards is that the standards (OWL, RFD, SPARQL etc.) tend to have been the focus of the Semantic Web in any case.

Resolutions?

MikeBennett: AW: Propose we formally combine rather than simply disappear.

Actions

MikeBennett: KB will contact MG and convey the above.

MikeBennett: MB to get these notes up so KB has something to refer to.

MikeBennett: AW: The final para of their mission statement is almost directly our mission statement.

MikeBennett: MB: Would certainly want to focus on standards in e.g. finance that would make suitable business reference ontologies. There is still a need for that in e.g. Fiannce.

KenBaclawski: "Looking at the missions of SWAO and AOIS, it appears that they overlap enough that it might make sense to consider some relationship between them, possibly even a formal merger."

MikeBennett: AW: Make it more explicit that we would be looking to merge into AOIS not the other way around.

MikeBennett: AW: ' .. of SWAO into AOIS'

MikeBennett: KB proposes a joint meeting.

MikeBennett: All agree this would be good, to ensure we are all really on the same page/

Standards

AndreaW: Here is another ref to Knowledge Graphs ... https://www.zdnet.com/article/knowledge-graph-evolution-platforms-that-speak-your-language/?hss_channel=tw-224035128&=1

MikeBennett: KB: on standards - the new proposed SQL standard would include RDF capability.

MikeBennett: So this overlaps with SPARQL which was based on SQL originally. So it would effectively subsume SPARQL.

MikeBennett: Called SQL2020 (but don't Google that)

AndreaW: There is also a proposed RDF* standard that really improves reification.

AndreaW: https://www.stardog.com/blog/property-graphs-meet-stardog/

MikeBennett: MB: Thereby allowing for simpler operational ontology transformations out of 'relative things' in the conceptual ontology/

KenBaclawski: [shres transcripts from some slides] 

Prospects for SQL 2020:  What is going to happen inWG 3 for SQL:2020?
WG 3 identified these areas of interest for the next version of the SQL standard:
Better support for Big Data applications.
Graph queries.
Approximate queries/aggregates and uncertain data.

16 

Integration of statistical packages (i.e./e.g., R).
MapReduce support.
Streaming/continuous queries.
Support for blockchains.
BASE transactions.
Any participant can bring forward a proposal for any new functionality

What is going to happen inWG 3 for SQL:2020? (cont.)
At its most recent meeting in January 2017,WG 3 discussed graph databases and query languages:
Time is right for formal standards in this area
Existing work
Technology begins to gel
Market demand

17 

WG 3 is interested in property graph technology
Would like to work with LDBC (Graph QL Task Force) to develop formal standards
At the June 2017 SC 32 Plenary, WG 3 will consider:
Applying for a project split for SQL/Graph
Applying for a new work item/give notice of a preliminary new work item for a Property Graph Query* Language
* Query does not necessarily mean read-only retrieval operations only, but can include general DML/DDL operations.

MikeBennett: the above from KB is from an early 2017 slide deck

MikeBennett: Is SPARQL a property graph query language?

MikeBennett: No - more specific to RDF.

MikeBennett: AW: See also StarDog writeup on GraphQL and mapping to other things. SPARQL more tied to RDF and OWL. A graph query language does not deal with the semantics.

KenBaclawski: The source is a slide deck whose title slide is:

Standardizing Graph Database Functionality

An Invitation to Collaborate

Jan Michels, Keith Hare, JimMelton

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 32/WG 3 Members

February 9, 2017

MikeBennett: This is also relevant to the Summit.


Attendees

  • MikeBennett
  • KenBaclawski
  • AndreaWesterinen

Apologies

  • ToddSchneider
  • BobbinTeegarden

Next Meetings

... further results

Previous Meetings

... further results

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